tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182452014508393284.post616972672068337966..comments2024-02-26T11:38:59.077-08:00Comments on Urban Life Signs: (Ped) Tunnel VisionBrian Stoklehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11152448009690142769noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182452014508393284.post-80753607803664529012013-05-13T23:59:14.400-07:002013-05-13T23:59:14.400-07:00Matt, thanks for your comment.
I'm trying to...Matt, thanks for your comment. <br /><br />I'm trying to find where it's stated explicitly that SF Muni and BART were given funds to build a pedestrian tunnel to link to the Transbay Center. I cannot find any such language in the actual CA Prop 1A (2008) http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/past/2008/general/title-sum/prop1a-title-sum.htm<br /><br />Do you know of any other official document that indicates funds being explicitly given to these two groups (or TJPA) to build a ped tunnel connect BART/Muni Metro to the Transbay Center? I'd love to see it.Brian Stoklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11152448009690142769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182452014508393284.post-36156898730350649162013-05-13T19:01:19.031-07:002013-05-13T19:01:19.031-07:00Anonymous: I don't think so... bikes should be...Anonymous: I don't think so... bikes should be accommodated on the surface. <br /><br />You wouldn't expect many people with bikes to be transferring from one transit system to another, anyway, and they'd still be able to walk through the tunnel with the bike.alaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05334835705248693244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182452014508393284.post-89123601662334912662013-05-13T16:14:09.145-07:002013-05-13T16:14:09.145-07:00Dear Tunnel Bikeway,
Not a bad idea. Just thinkin...Dear Tunnel Bikeway,<br /><br />Not a bad idea. Just thinking it through, if this worked, if I went from Embarcadero BART to Caltrain, I'd have to do the following:<br />1. Walk up stairs from BART level up to Concourse Level (or take elevator)<br />2. Walk bike through Concourse Level to Market-Transbay Ped Tunnel<br />3. Bike on designated 2-way bike path through tunnel (if I understand your suggestion).<br />4. Walk bike through Transbay Center Lower Concourse to Caltrain stairs with bike channels.<br />5. Walk bike from stairs through Train Level to Caltrain bike car.<br /><br />So is the benefit of adding a bike lane in the pedestrian tunnel worth it. Based on the designs of a 25 foot wide tunnel that has 2 moving walkways (~5 feet wide in total), which only leaves 13 feet of room. I don't believe this is enough room for both bikes and non-moving walkway pedestrians. So the tunnel would need to be about 8-10 feet wider to accommodate such a bike path.<br /><br />How much would this cost? I don't know. Would cyclists really benefit that much from biking 900 feet when they would be walking before and after the tunnel? (I don't imagine there are any plans to install a bike path through either concourses). <br /><br />Note also, that if the pedestrian tunnel is built under Beale or Fremont streets, it will be at the EAST end of the Transbay Center. The planned Transbay Bike Station is planned for the WEST end of the Lower Concourse. <br /><br />Unless the cost were not much more than the narrower tunnel AND the benefit to cyclists was great, I'd be inclined to support such a bikeway. However, I don't see the costs being low enough nor the 900 feet of biking meriting such a bikeway. <br /><br />That's just my opinion. I'd love to hear counterarguments.Brian Stoklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11152448009690142769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182452014508393284.post-81777675073756174362013-05-13T15:04:24.127-07:002013-05-13T15:04:24.127-07:00There is funding available for an underground pass...There is funding available for an underground passage in the form of CA Prop 1A (2008) which is a bond measure that provides both SF Muni and BART with funds for connecting to the HSR line, which is precisely what a tunnel would be doing. I don't believe that money has been programmed yet by those agencies so it's still available.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9182452014508393284.post-62431402777375970892013-05-13T09:49:42.014-07:002013-05-13T09:49:42.014-07:00Should include space for a bikeway as well.Should include space for a bikeway as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com